The main reason that you see such wonkiness in the Flickr BlogThis postings is because they cause a "DIV inside a P" which is a big non-non. On firefox you end up getting the "first line is smallcaps" throughout the entire post and on IE you get a blank first line and no smallcaps. It just makes me realize that I do have to start paying attention to code again. This minimal design was about not having to think too much about layout and such, just plop posts onto the page and let them go. But with different type of posts I have workarounds which require different code. I may have to go back and strip down the templates. September 20 05